Nine months ago, I asked you if you’d take a pill to turn straight. Earlier in the year, I expressed my opinion that our sexuality is a gift, and I shared my own disinterest in becoming “straight.” Nonetheless, I still get many e-mails on the subject.
In my humble opinion, trying to “turn straight” is a highly inefficient use of energy.
There are plenty of things that we can change about ourselves. If we’re unhappy with our sedentary lifestyle or high percentage of body fat, then we can become more active and join a gym. But being gay is far more fundamental than some of these more secondary characteristics. Of all the many things that we can change, to whom we are attracted falls pretty low on the list.
I’m reminded of an often referenced Reinhold Niebuhr quote that goes something like this:
“God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.”
As far as I’m concerned, our sexuality falls into the “things I cannot change” category. Of the many factors that might determine our sexuality, it seems that they’re all beyond our control. So, let’s not try and control the things we can’t control.
When we struggle against our sexuality, we struggle against the entire universe; we struggle fruitlessly. If, instead, we devote just 1/10th of that same energy towards our journey of self-acceptance and celebration, our lives will be infinitely more loving and more fulfilled.
When it comes to return on investment, there is no better venture than love.
September 21, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Hi
I do hope you’re well!
Smashing and insightful as always!
Much love and smiles!
Beau
xXx~oOo
September 21, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Many years ago, at the age of 30, I stopped struggling against my gayness. It was the best year of life. The folks where I worked welcomed me, I bought a house, got an Irish Setter companion, and …. met the love of my life, Nick. Nick and I have been together 35 years. He is the treasure that I would never had found if I were straight, or not having totally accepted my homo core. Hooray for the universe for giving me this gift.
September 22, 2009 at 5:35 pm
If I had 1,000 thumbs, they would all be up for you! Hearing something like this made my day a little brighter. =)
September 21, 2009 at 6:49 pm
I too am gay and have no desire to change myself to become straight. My question is why would someone want to change their sexual orientation? I think that the answer to that probably has nothing to do with themselves, it probably has to do with wanting more acceptance at home, school, work, or in society as general.
If no one threatened you for who you are attracted to, and the people that you care about celebrated your relationship and only wanted the person you are with to have good qualities and treat you well, then I think no one would even consider changing.
The problem is not with the gay person, it is with society which can be influenced by ancient superstitions, misinformation, outright lies and prejudice.
September 21, 2009 at 6:58 pm
I am gay. After much homophobia during my teens, i came out at age 18. I never looked back. It was easier for me because i live in new york city. I can’t imagine the difficulty of coming out in a small town.
September 22, 2009 at 11:46 am
The certainty of a youngster. At your age someone told me, without malice, that depresssion and a feeling of futility surrounded many older gay people. Your generation can change all that, if you apply yourselevs and don’t just do the dreary hedonistic young gay thing…. obsessed with drink, sex drugs etc.
Some Gay people are shallow with “just Them and Their c***s To Please” – no substantial relationships, nobody they really care for etc.
Change yourselves, change “our” gay world and have a happy old age with a sense of accomplishment and good companionship.
Don’t spend your final years in a straight old age peopels home – the only isolated gay there.
Care for others and benfit yourself later.
September 21, 2009 at 7:16 pm
thank you sooo much. at times i get so frustrated at myself for the things that are (as you say) ‘unchangeable.’ i do admit i have tried googling ‘how to become straight’ with no success (i wasn’t actually expecting an answer though, it was more out of frustration), but i don’t want to change myself (entirely). what is the cost of being straight? what will i loose of myself? and also what will i gain? will i just be a normal person? questions like these always swirl in and out of my head , i might not even be thinking about them, but those questions are always there (kinda like a ringing in your ear that never seem to go away, and its really quite annoying). but whenever i read another of your blogs, the ringing stops and, and i can actually hear myself. its like a wave of overwhelming positivity, and im drowning in it (thats a good thing haha). thank you. keep doing what you’re doing
September 21, 2009 at 11:14 pm
Stop fighting yourself. You ARE ok. You do not have to change who you are.
You just need to develop your strengths and learn to follow your heart while using your head.
Each one of us are unique.
Each one of us are different.
Don’t try to change and become homogenous and the same as what you perceive everyone else to be, or worse, what you think they want you to be to be loved and accepted.
The universe is about diversity, difference, beauty.
Be all that you are meant to be, not what someone else should be.
I truly wish you all the best that the universe has to offer and all that you have to offer the rest of the universe.
September 22, 2009 at 5:45 am
well, im just saying, by becoming straight will it change everything about a person, or just who they are attracted to? will i not be me anymore? or will i still be me, but i am attracted to females? (which in that case i wouldn’t mind much) and you cant really blame a person for wanting to be accepted (or at least i think you cant). i dont know maybe its just a problem with myself. thank you anyways
September 22, 2009 at 10:00 am
Wanting to be accepted is normal but having to change to be accepted means that you value other people’s opinion more than your own, and that is not good. You will never be able to please everyone whether you are gay or straight. If someone wants to be straight if they are gay shows that they have an inner hatred for what they are. It is like wanting to have black hair if your hair is red or wanting blue eyes if you have brown eyes. It is always easier to accept what the universe has given you, accept who you are than to fight against it.
What is wrong with being attracted to one person over another? What is wrong with being attracted to the same sex over the opposite sex?
Sexuality is part of an entire person. It is not everything, but it definitely does affect your outlook on the world, just as being a visual minority in a society will view things differently than the main population. Reverend Ed Bacon from Los Angeles said to a gay man, “Being gay is a gift from God, but our culture doesn’t understand that”. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d447_4qVzk&feature=related He was absolutely correct when he said that because you bring to the world a completely different perspective and set of gifts that you would not have if you were straight. If everyone were straight the world would be a lesser place to live in. To be truly fulfilled in your life it is important to accept the things about yourself that cannot be changed.
It is not the gay person that needs to be changed in society — it is society that needs to be changed, and that won’t happen if everyone is the same.
September 21, 2009 at 7:21 pm
life is so much EASIER outside of the closet! So much more room to move around in.
September 21, 2009 at 8:10 pm
After years of wanting to be straight, I no longer feel the need or drive to become a hetero. I’m starting to love and accept who I am as a person, even if my family doesn’t. I don’t have many friends, and I don’t have a boyfriend. However, I am currently focusing on finding myself and what I want to do with my life. Being gay is just a part of who I am, and while it does not define me, it has shaped me as a person.
September 21, 2009 at 8:30 pm
i wish i wasn’t so skiny.
i wish i was more confidente.
i wish some people arround me accepted me better.
most of all i wish i know what i want in my life.
still, nothing changes for me being gay, and i don’t want to change it either. being gay it’s just a part of me, and it’s actualy one of the few i’m sure about.
i agree with what Mark said, people don’t want to change for themselves, but because of others, and that’s really sad.
September 21, 2009 at 9:30 pm
I think that limiting sexuality to the black and white of the matter is too limiting. I think most are more straight than gay or more gay than straight but not so much dead set on their sexuality. I am attracted to people mostly women but I would be lying if I never though a gent looked attractive.
Btw davey I tried to put your blog on my WP blog roll but for some reason it messed up anywho I guess I’ll try again.
September 21, 2009 at 11:16 pm
You are right. Look at Caster Semenya. Caster cannot be defined by the narrow definition of female or male. It is narrow-mindedness that wants to define everyone, put them in a box and then tell them how they must behave based on their own set of rules.
We need to allow for all of the diversity that the universe produces.
September 21, 2009 at 11:04 pm
I’m sorry but being gay is fantastic. I wouldn’t want to be anything but.
September 21, 2009 at 11:19 pm
Hey Davey,
I think the last statement was the most true of it all. I do not endorse the labeling of a persons sexual orientation for I believe that to do that is a lie. I think that when it comes down to it we experience sexuality with people that we love. There is nothing in me that tells me not to acknowledge the feelings of love that I feel. I know personally that these feelings are not defined by a persons gender.
You have to remember that the labelling of sexual orientation is a rather new concept as the words homosexual and heterosexual were created within the last 150 years. In my experience actually if I speak to the elder members of our society to them the word gay say 100 years ago actually has the meaning of someone who is excitedly happy. If you go say 60-80 years ago it actually defines someone who is a “loser” within our society to them in my experience it has no definition of a persons sexual preferences. From what I have discovered it was actually as a majority the baby boomers the people born around the 50′s and later that have created the negative conotation to homosexuality.
Anyway hope you found the post interesting,
Kenneth Livingston
September 22, 2009 at 1:04 am
wot is love?
September 22, 2009 at 2:02 am
Very heartful post.
Why should you want to change your sexuality. You were born like it (some may disagree) but its how you were intended to be. Dont try to be something youre not.
By trying to make yourself straight you will live a life full of doubt, uncertainty and dishonesty, because you will not be being honest with yourself.
Nobody can blame you for being gay, you cannot blame yourself, like i said above – dont try to be something you are not.
Be open about yourself, tell only the people that you can trust and who are close friends.
I think Davey Wavey is right, dont try it, it wil be a waste of time, and you will be doing yourself injustice.
Be Pink, Be Proud
xXx
September 22, 2009 at 5:40 am
Sorry – you don’t make an awful lot of sense today.
Struggling to change your sexuality? I agree – a pretty futile exercise. I do have to say that I know of a number of gay people who just do not rank sexuality per se as a very important factor in anything. To them “normal” family life, normal mum/dad environment etc is important whereas sex life holds no imprtance whatsoever.
YOUR QUESTION THOUGH was whether you’d take a pill to change your sexuality. In other words – if you could change it without the struggle, the same way you can fix or change your shortsighetness, your hair colour or your facial hair.
If turning straight was as simple as shaving in the morning – would you do it?
I reckon that’s a great question and Ireckon you didn’t address it at all.
September 22, 2009 at 6:48 am
Great advice. I’ll add this thought: For those who still think it’s possible to change, consider this: Does anybody ever ask a straight person to ‘turn gay’? No! Everyone should celebrate who they are. Self-acceptance…the lighter path.
September 22, 2009 at 10:05 am
Great comment!
September 22, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Tell me you’ve never wanted to turn a str8 guy gay!! LOL I know I have.
September 26, 2009 at 5:50 pm
yes, well me i have wanted to change like 5 str8 guys gay…that is what happen to me, i was str8 but my ex-boyfriend turned my gay, well if i think about it, i got turned bi, because i still think that some girls are hot, i even ask one when me and him where about to have sex, which i actually did enjoy, he f**k me so hard, and then he suck my c**k so great, and ect.
September 22, 2009 at 7:09 am
Slightly off topic, however I see it like this. God made gays so that the truely gifted weren’t burden with children.
Having said that, in aswer to your question, no. No I wouldn’t. I couldn’t imagine my life any other way.
September 22, 2009 at 7:13 am
I know I am gay in my heart. I live a down low existence. It’s not the best way to live I realize bit it’s my way. Davey, I can’t begin to tell you how much your site means to me. I realize I can’t change things so I have accepted my life as it is…..not perfect but certainly liveable for me.
Love you bunches!
September 22, 2009 at 8:58 am
Try honesty- it might work pretty well too.
September 22, 2009 at 7:24 am
you’re 100% right.
The only thing one could establish when trying to turn into any other sexuality is to suppress ones true sexuality in favor of the other. Of what use could that possibly be? Isn’t the one greatest thing on earth Love?!
it doesn’t matter who you love as long as you do love!
It reminds me of a citation from Harry Potter. Though it’s a book for children there are a few cites I remembered ever since I first read them. And one goes:
“Do not pity the dead, pity the living and above all those who live without love”
September 22, 2009 at 7:37 am
It’s not easy growing up in a homophobic world. There is so very little support for gay people. No wonder why so many people struggle with it. I know I did. The religious would do us in if they could, so would the state. After so many years I have more than serenity about who I am. I’m happy and proud! I think Kermit said it best when he sang…
When green is all there is to be
It could make you wonder why
But why wonder why wonder
I am green, and it’ll do fine
It’s beautiful, and I think it’s what I want to be
Cheers!
September 22, 2009 at 7:52 am
Right on Sister !!!
All camp aside — that was very well said. I still run into guys that are in their 40′s and 50′s who are just starting to accept themselves. So many years they’ve wasted trying to live the life they were “supposed to”. Thank you for sharing the Truth.
September 22, 2009 at 8:51 am
I think the quote comes from further back than Reinhold Niebuhr – I believe it is attributed to St. Francis of Assisi (pronounced Ahsee-see not “a sissy!) You might like his writings as well — interestingly his life emphasis on spitituality not religion seems to fit yours. Despite his humble ways and simple life he was undeniably a radical!
with love to all,
Paul
September 22, 2009 at 10:32 am
I believe the prayer was written by a minister either Episcopalian or Presbyterian.
There is some controversy if it was original or not. There is no conclusive evidence
either way. It is used in 12 step fellowships, most notably AA. : )
September 22, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Davey Wavey was correct when he attributed the quote to Dr. Reinhold Niebuhr who was an American Protestant theologian. His original quote was, “God give us grace, to accept with serenity the things that cannot be changed, courage to change the things that should be changed, and the wisdom to distinguish the one from the other.” It was later adapted by others and used by Alcoholics Anonymous in a slightly revised version.
The quote that I think you are thinking of by St. Francis of Assis is, “Lord, grant that I may not seek so much to be understood as to understand”.
September 22, 2009 at 8:57 am
I am a gay, white, right handed, American- born man. I can no more imagine myself as straight man as I could imagine myself a lefthanded African woman. There is nothing wrong with being a lefthanded African woman, it just isn’t who I could ever be and still be me.
September 22, 2009 at 10:12 am
I spent my late teens up until I was 31 fighting against my gayness and wanting, for conventions sake to be straight. I didn’t work, I was so unhappy, but I am glad to say I gave up and admitted to myself that I was gay. I came out slowly to friends though I found lots more new friends. Since then I have had fun.
You can’t change who you are and being gay is not a disease which can be cured.
Keep up the good work dear Davey
September 22, 2009 at 10:56 am
Being gay is Mother Nature’s way of controlling the population. I struggled for many years but finally accepted being gay as a God-given gift. God doesn’t make mistakes!!!
September 22, 2009 at 11:38 am
You’re just hooked on your affliction Davey.
You poor darling.
It is ok to think like this when you are young.
NOT SO GOOD when you are old and its the end of the line.
Suddenly it can all seem futile.
September 22, 2009 at 2:37 pm
I wouldn’t want to take a straight pill!!! I would take a “Davey” pill. If I could take a pill that would make me look like Davey Wavey I couldn’t swallow it fast enough! Yummy! You are truly a beautiful person inside and out!
September 22, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Pill, what pill? All I see is a huge and gorgeous chest. You’ve been working out a lot, I see. Wow!! Keep it up you are getting sexier and sexier every day.
As for the pill, if there is one, I think you, like me, we would need a super extra strength over potent pill and about a 50 year supply of it for it to work.
Besides, I think you are like me, and I wouldn’t want to be straight for anything in the world. If somebody offer me a billion (yes, a billion) dollars if I’d turned straight I would say NO immediately. I love my life the way it is to mess around with it for any amount of money.
You know that game when somebody asks you if you’d reincarnate, what would you like to reincarnate as. My answer has always been the same: I want to come back as a Gay Man. Nothing else would work for me. I am sure you, Davey, you are in a similar place about yourself. Good for you, that’s a big part for why we like you.
Keep yourself as cute as ever and keep that chest increasing, just don’t get too big; too big is not good. You are approaching the perfect size. Once you get there all that remains is maintenance.
Stay happy, cute and smart as always.
September 22, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Seriously? Some people are so stupid. I mean, why can’t they just be proud of who they are and quit trying to go against who they are? I really don’t understand the insanity behind wanting to go straight, gays are soo much more fun!
I am strictly dickly and it is NEVER gonne change. haha
September 22, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Can u pleez sleep with me b4 u take the ‘straight pill?’ Damn Davey u r so amazing – i want u!
September 22, 2009 at 7:17 pm
I love steak. I do not like – and would never eat – salad. That said, salad has its charms; it’s fresh, healthy, and light. Salad can come in so many forms and flavours. Salad typically won’t give you high cholesterol or blood pressure. It’s everything that steak is not. If I were really motivated to do so – for whatever reason – I could probably learn to love salad. But considering how long I’ve been a steak lover and the circumstances surrounding my distaste for salad it ain’t likely.
I believe it’s similar for sexuality. In fact, I think people take their sexuality far too seriously. It’s nothing more, in my opinion, than a preference or a taste. Our preferences are formed and defined by our early experiences of the things we prefer and the things we avoid. I don’t believe you learn to be gay by seeing people be gay. It’s not like vocational training. But I’ve had a definite history of feeling intimidated by and not accepted by women and so I find men much easier to get along with. Thus my preference.
So can this change? As I believe you can change any habit or preference that doesn’t work for you I believe one can learn to enjoy a sexual orientation different from his or her current one. It’s just a matter of making something a priority and not doing it in resistance or defiance of how you currently feel but because the new preference is going to work better for you.
Am I going to change? Not likely. I love loving guys. I believe that loving women would have its charms too. And although from time to time I am tremendously attracted to a woman, my preferences are working for me right now and I’m happy with that.
September 22, 2009 at 9:11 pm
First Timer here: LOL
A few years ago I would have been at the front of the line, I would always ask myself why I felt the way I did. My father was never the one to shove the manly things a boy must do down my throat, on the contrary he would tell me that my artistic side was something to relish and enjoy, yet through all those football games for my brothers, I would see the joy in his eyes seeing his boys on the field and I wasn’t out there. My mom would always tell me that she did not care what I would choose to do or be in life, as long as I was happy and that I provided her with at least 3 grandchildren. (That is why I think she knows my orientation, even though I am still in the closet to my family) I mean is it wrong for me to want to provide my mother that gift, or the wedding where she gets to dance with her son as he is becoming a man. And to give my father that pride that I saw all those years sitting by him on the bleachers. I know deep down inside that they would always love me, but that has been my fear, letting them down. They have just been to good of parents to do that, not that I am putting them on some sort of pedestal, but they were always that way Like most kids say (before or after their teenage years)”My parents are the best in the world to me.” I had recently found friends and co-workers that are gay, and have made lifelong bonds (of friendship, I am starting to think at the ripe old age of 20 I am going to die alone LOL) and know that I am gay, and there is nothing I can or will change about that, but it is always in the back of my mind. Oh and Davey, I just wanted to let you know that reading your blog did give me one of the several building blocks I needed in my life to accept that I was gay and that I was not a freak and that I could find true happiness with someone, someday (hopefully). I just wanted to say thank you for that. I know that you get those everyday, but everytime I see a post pop up on my phone from twitter, I smile inside and run to the once Im home to read your insight for that day, something I can learn and use to make my life that much more enjoyable, and for that I am greatful.
With Love, Joey
September 24, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Joey I can’t help but notice how similar your story is to my life, ive could of written your post and it would of been almost the same!
September 22, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Davey:
Just have to say once again how much I enjoy coming to see what you have to say each day!
On a much more shallow note you and your chest look great in that picture. Do you have any special pec exercises that you find work the best?
September 23, 2009 at 12:13 am
accept who you are-get out of the closet.its 2009-get over it.you cant change your sexuality.were all hardwired.i saw firsthand-this early summer what a prominent Wheaton College symposium can do to wreck mind and soul.an educational institution-and a prominent one at that shouldnt endorse or sanction a conference on conversion therapy.thats pseudo-scientific crap.its been attempted and wrecks mind and soul-for life.i met a few at this college-that admitted-this was futile and a mistake.DW-and his blog-and all regular blog buddies know the real truth-we live it here on a daily basis.for all the friends ive made as an activist-why on Gods creation-would i or anyone want to be str8?we truly are a gift of Gods creation.everyone has that gift-use it.thanx so much DW-for giving us this place in cyberworld-you too are a gift of Gods creation.youre good looking on the outside-but even better on the inside.thanx for being-you.Hugs and Kisses.
September 23, 2009 at 4:52 pm
f**k no I wouldn’t take a Pill to become straight! I love who I am and a part of that is my desire for men. There is no reason for me to conform to what society thinks I should be. I am a good, loving, and sincere man I am not broken and do not meed to be fixed. I am a homosexual and if people don’t like me because of if then to hell with them.
Pete
September 25, 2009 at 6:47 pm
“God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.”
I appriciate that.
I carry that quote around in my wallet..and in my heart..everyday.
Makes for a great mantra.
September 25, 2009 at 7:17 pm
I had a “friend” say to me in High School (1972) “If I were you I’d kill myself.” I smiled and replied, “Gee, thanks, Will. I’ll give that some thought next time I think of you.” I just thought of him when I read this post. Will, ironically, looked just like your Will; cute but with a not so cute attitude. One year later a psychologist told me that she was told buy her high level colleagues that they were to reconsider the view that homosexuality was considered a malaise or even treatable. One year later The American Psychiatric Association told the members at large they are no longer going to consider treatment for homosexuality. She being a psychologist was told she was to follow suit, and she had patients whose parents sent them to church “reeducation camps.” She said if she found out one of camps had a practicing psch Md she would see to it their license would be rescinded. One year later she said it became official. I reminded her that she told me this a year ago. She said that was the Psch dept. This was the American Medical Association. She said there was much infighting like a Congressional filibuster on this issue, and feared there would be a real division between the communities. She said she read the report and I could too, but recommended that I only read it in her office, as when she read it she had to cancel the rest of her patients that day because she was too upset to work. “Although the Medical community has never really embraced us this has whipped up more bad blood. You are free to read it it’s a public record available at the library, but I was so angry to the point of tears.” I didn’t contemplate suicide, talk to the therapist about homosexuality,or ever read the report. When pushed about it too much I told her “Not an appropriate topic considering my father is paying the bill” (I was envisioning a “reeducation camp” a la Maoist dissidents in what we considered then, Red China). Another therapist who saw my father saw me conversing with one of my group buddies ( So cute. He was fully trying to pick up on me.) He firmly told me that we should not be talking to each other. That freaked him out a bit, and I had to excuse myself while I chased said therapist. Before I could even say a word to him. he said, “After many hours with your father some of my conclusions are: You were absolutely right on when you suggested you both go here after HIS divorce. That YOU are not the cause of it, and all efforts to maintain a relationship should be curtailed at once. He is bad news for you.” I got the message, and probably never will relay it to my father, ever. He wanted me to go to EST training and offered to pay for it, I declined. ( EST was a big fad for people with too much money and time on their hands, which I refer to as “That silly 70′s period,” where all the crazies came out the mid period the Occult and Witchcraft, Astrology, LSD,Quaaludes, Leisure suits in the colors of sherbet, ties the size of lobster bibs. Any gimmick or fad was fair game and it seemed Werner Earhart was the grand master of all including his “ESTARIAN” (made up word, handle it)crap. Crap was a word my dad used a lot. I didn’t have to buy in just to see his hand.
September 27, 2009 at 12:59 am
Hey Dave,
First and foremost I want to say that you come across as a great and compassionate guy.
We need a lot more of that in this world..
Having said that I think that sexuality is a maze of complexity, and as some has said its not a light switch that one can turn off and on anytime one pleases. Yet at the same time some people allegedly can change and do change to varying degrees.
There are many different theories concerning the genesis of homosexual desires. None of which completely answer the question of how these desires arise in people.
I believe its different for everyone. For those that say its purely biological/genetic, thus far none of the studies have proven that. Studies have merely been able to say that there may be things that contribute to these type of feelings but not necessarily cause them..
I’ve read material that is gay affirmative as well as material that is labeled as gay reparative (I didn’t make up the term, just saying what I’ve read, not telling anyone they need to be fixed.) I think that if we are to try to look at this topic we should do so objectively, although that can be very difficult to do. I have had attraction to both males and females, so this topic is of interest to me.
Although the APA took homosexuality off of its list of disorders in 1973, the way they went about it wasn’t really through science and research. There were a lot of politics involved.. (I’m just stating what occurred, I’m not trying to say whether it is or isn’t a disorder because I’m not a professional.)
I know many will probably be pissed at me for saying this and probably label me as a self loather but at times when I look at anatomy the heterosexual union seems to make much more sense. Almost as if men and women were meant to be together…
Anyways I’m just sharing what I feel, hopefully thats welcome. I’m not in any religious group and no one is telling me that I shouldn’t live a gay lifestyle or anything. I just personally feel that examining this issue in our personal lives would be a good thing.
I personally feel that in my PERSONAL experience (can’t speak for anyone else) that these desires arose from conflicts I had early on. So in MY case I would say that it was more nurture and environment than anything else.
Anyways until later, I apologize in advance if anyone thinks I’m being a douche bag for saying these things…
September 27, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Every picture that he takes is vulgar and whorish.
So desperate for any type of attention. So very very very desperate.
September 27, 2009 at 4:36 pm
im sorry, but that was just really mean. try not to judge people
September 27, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Meaan me or nmean Mr Cobb?
I am sceptical but good luck to Davey.
So he flashes his tits etc.
It’s hardly a crime.
It gives me pleasure (getting bored of it now).
… and he has a lot to be prud of and is a good role model.
I am just not sure how much he is a genuine philosopher and how much a clever entrepreneur.
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