It’s hard to believe that we’re quickly approaching the 9th anniversary of September 11 attacks. I remember it like it was yesterday. The pain is still very real and the wounds haven’t fully healed for many of us.
When I was living in NYC this past summer, there was a lot of discussion arguing about a proposed mosque to be constructed near ground zero. I did my best to listen to both sides without judgment, as clearly passions were very high for everyone involved.
But when I look back on the attacks, I think it’s important to remember who attacked us. It wasn’t Islam itself – but rather a handful of extremists who are not an accurate or complete representation of the roughly 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. We’d never assume all Christians shared Reverend Fred Phelps’ “God hates fags” mentality, and so it’s important not to stereotype our Muslim brothers in the same way.
The United States was founded on many important freedoms that are protected by our Constitution. When the terrorists hijacked planes, they were not just attacking buildings and destroying lives – they were targeting our freedoms and our way of life. If we dissolve these freedoms, the freedom of assembly included, because of the September 11 attacks, then the terrorists have won in a very real way.
If, on the other hand, we stand by our freedoms even when it’s difficult to do so, then the spirit of this country lives on; protecting those freedoms – the backbone of this country – is one way we can honor the countless lives cut short on Sept. 11. And that’s why I support the mosque.
What do you think? Do you think a mosque should be blocked from the ground zero area? Leave your answer in the comments below.
September 12, 2010 at 5:01 pm
SCREW THAT! i dont hate muslims, but they cant take down the twin towers, and expect to place a mosque in place of them. that would be crazy. They can go and build one somewhere else, and avoid all this drama.
September 13, 2010 at 9:49 am
The reality is that 1) it isn’t going to be a mosque – just and expansion of the currently existing Islamic community center and 2) it ISN’T at Ground Zero but two blocks away.
September 13, 2010 at 12:00 pm
The reality is as in all of your previous post Tom, you continue to prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that you are a certified fool.
Just because the fools at CNN have stopped calling it a Mosque and now call it an Islamic community center.. will never change the fact of the matter that it will in fact be a freaking MOSQUE..
The established and VERIFIABLE facts of the proposed location of the INSULT MOSQUE, or the VICTORY MOSQUE.. is that it is the precise location the f*****g LANDING GEAR came to rest..
Change the words, terms, definitions all you want moron.. it won’t ever change the truth..
You can count on this..
That mosque.. may be built..
but it won’t ever be built there..
September 13, 2010 at 12:09 pm
f**k off, Jack. I’m sick of your venomous comments because you are dead wrong. It’s not going to be a mosque, but a community center with a prayer room just like it has today. I live here. I’ve seen it for myself. So get your facts straight and quit fueling the fire.
September 13, 2010 at 12:16 pm
“f**k Off” you say? ROFLMAO!! Funny how you lefties always fail to see your own venom.. and even amusing is how you lefties always see the truth as venomous.. If you live there moron, then you will not have any trouble discovering where the landing gear landed..
that my leftist moron friend.. is what fueled the fire….
November 3, 2010 at 12:30 am
Just curious if any of you pro Mosque-at-ground-zero types.. you guys of the mindset that we need to demonstrate our religious tolerance to the Muslim world.. are aware of this:
http://www.newsmax.com/KenTimmerman/joseph-kassab-christians-iraq/2010/11/02/id/375698
You guys.. you enablers of creeping Sharia Law.. (a law that demands the death penalty for being Gay).. just how many of you were even aware that on Sunday, a handful of tolerant Islamist massacred 58 Iraqi Christians.. for doing what?
why for attending a Christian Church in Iraq.
Since you guys live in a world of Leftist Willful Ignorance.. I doubt you even knew about it.. but if you did.. being the Useful Idiots that you are.. I’m sure it meant absolutely nothing to you.
No doubt you will always think it’s just a swell hunky dory idea to allow the same Islamist mindset an enormous symbolic foothold in this country.. to place one more Victory Mosque at “Ground Zero”..
a location that prior to the Islamist attack THERE..
was simply known as The World Trade Center..
November 3, 2010 at 1:22 am
Oh, one more thing.. you guys wanting to be so tolerant of the violent and intolerant Islamist.. maybe you should force yourselves to watch this Islamic beheading of a woman.. a woman that just wasn’t Islamic enough for their intolerant pea brains..
Watch this video you enabling morons..
You deserve every ounce of the discomfort it brings you..
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=109228249144776
November 3, 2010 at 11:07 pm
Jack,
I’m sorry you are so hate-filled. I’m sure by what you have said that you are not a Christian because the fundamental law of Christianity is Love. That’s why Jesus laid down his life for us.
No one is just “pro a Mosque” near the 9/11 site. Those you claim that is true of really stand for the freedom that is accorded to us as U.S. citizens. Remember Mormons and Catholics were at one time despised in this country. Did you know for example it was unlawful to publicly celebrate Christmas in Boston until 1850 because it was a papist feast?
Sure the terrorists are a threat and do evil things but that is in spite of Islam not because of it. The same is true of so-called Christians who persecute us. Hatred only makes things worse. Check out the Southern Poverty Law Center web site. And please temper your language.
November 3, 2010 at 11:10 pm
One thing about your hate-filled comments to the “Lefties,” show the right wing in very bad and embarrassing light. Is that what you want?
November 4, 2010 at 12:12 am
Sorry Seb, good try, but no SEEGAR.. As far as your feeble attempt at comparing Christianity to Islam in any regard much less the blood lust of Islamist terrorist and Islamic governments.. from it’s beginning to the present.. is simply without one iota of historical background.. there is no comparing the blood lust and wholesale murder of Islam to Christianity.. and what it does.. which more often than not is that it simply hurts your feelings.. by not accepting your demands to be accepted.. comparing the two is utter insanity.. Hurt feelings.. vs. decapitation.. Hmmm.. I know which one I choose.. and I know which one is the threat.. I know Evil when I see it.. and I have the Courage and the Wisdom to discern it..
You want to see hate? Then YOU go to the Southern Poverty Law Center.. I’ve been there.. I know them well. they have a very long history of distorting and lying about anything PRO American.. they always side with anything that is Anti-Christian.. and they always LIE.. they use half truths and simply make up stuff out of thin air.. They are bitter anti Capitalist, anti liberty, anti America, Anti Constitution law.. and their history is one of pure Race Bating.. and using Hate to generate Hate.. You need to check them out before you use them as a reference bud.. some of us have actually done our homework.. They are Race Pimps and Poverty Pimps.. Mostly they are WEALTH BIGOTS..
If you think no one is pro mosque at the 911 site.. then you haven’t read any of the post on this thread..(including your own!!!) This DW thread is loaded with morons like you.. that have no idea of what they are talking about.. do a little research before you start making moronic claims.. not only will you find a large number of numb nuts that are GAY.. supporting the ANTI Gay Islamist setting a Victory Mosque on the spot of 911.. If you care to LOOK.. you will also find that since there are over 100 existing Mosques already in New York City.. you then might conclude that INTOLERANCE is not a problem HERE.. the INTOLERANCE problem is to be found EVERYWHERE.. ISLAM is found.. And were you able to follow some links I posted a few paragraphs above.. you might discover even more uncomfortable Truth’s.. but then All leftist find the Truth uncomfortable..
don’t you?
Furthermore wherever you got the idea that Islamic Terrorism is in Spite of Islam and not because of it.. it must be the same place you found mickey mouse.. in Fantasy Land..
You see, It is the LAW of Islam.. to kill all homosexuals.. it has never NOT been it’s LAW.. it’s terrorist are guided by the KORAN… in every regard.. in every way.. and in EVERY terrorist attack throughout the world and it’s long history of fending off ISLAMIC TERRORISM from day one.. up to now and beyond.. there is ZERO evidence that islam is ever going to change that.. and to hold out hope like the fools such as you seem determined to do.. is pure folly and insanity. I don’t hate you.. but I have NO TOLERANCE FOR YOU.. I tolerate fools very badly. The primary hallmark of the Leftist mindset is it’s utter inability to recognize Evil.. and it’s utter inability to demonstrate Wisdom.. Again there is ZERO evidence to the contrary of those two premisses.. if you have any.. I”m dying to see it…
You and your so called TOLERANCE for the INTOLERANT ISLAMIST.. is not just willful ignorance.. but it’s just plain dangerous to you and to all you place at risk with your utter stupidity..
I am a Christian.. and I promise you Jesus Christ did not lay down his life in order to make the path easy for those that slaughter fellow Christians wholesale.. in any regard.. but especially while attending a Christian church or even a Mosque.. This I know for sure you moron.. If the Islamist called themselves Christians.. you and all the TOLERANT TYPES like you.. would be screaming bloody murder if they were the ones trying to establish a foothold at Ground Zero…
November 4, 2010 at 12:27 am
let me see now.. as a leftist you are worried and concerned that the Right Wing may appear to be very bad.. or shown in an embarrassing light??..
Hmmm.. let me think about it..
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hmmm….
Frankly I think your concern is bullshit.. and I really don’t tolerate fools well..
so No, I’m utterly unconcerned…
in fact my gut feeling is to tell you to shut the f**k up.. and stop worrying about straw dogs.. and start worrying about real threats to you and to the liberty this country has granted you.. that enables you to risk it all..
by enabling the leftist tyrants of the world..
as a Useful Idiot..
with your willful ignorance..
and your ingrate state of mind..
I don’t hate you moron.. But I have an extreme lack of respect for all morons.. get used to it.. you leftist have f****d up the world to it’s max.. and playing nice with you guys has NEVER been beneficial.. to anyone, anywhere, anytime..
so I’ll say it one more time.. just for you..
Please shut the f**k up..
November 4, 2010 at 6:03 pm
Jack,
I tried to dialogue with you. It is clear that you have no interest in that. I could respond to you with the same close-mindedness, vitriol, hate and fear that you do. So I’ll “shut the f**k up” (BTW do you speak to your Christian friends like that), because it’s not worth my time until, maybe, you learn a little history and theology. Good by for good!!!
November 5, 2010 at 2:09 am
I’m not buying it. Your attempt at dialog consisted entirely of your condemnation of my opinions.. and my “tone”.. no rational dialog whatsoever came from you and none is expected. You have no basis in truth to conduct dialog.. thus you must pretend to be put out to the point of allowing you to ignore any and all content.. all for the sake of “tone”. No surprise there.. that’s always how lefties get around the content issues.. Your definition of dialog meant you wanted me to soften my tone.. and drop my content.. .. You never wanted any dialog Seb.. Just say it. You wanted me and all who disagree with you, to play nice with you.. even as you endanger this country… Purely for the sake of the proper tone… and to hell with the content of any dialog..
Let me Splain something to you Lucy..
Europe is lost.
What was once a great, Great Britain.. is now a country where you can find 75 active Sharia Courts. Those Sharia Courts grow in strength and influence every day.. bit by bit.. constantly growing and crowding out British Law.. British Culture.. and British People.. the Law of Sharia is creeping ever slowly and steadily into England..
and England’s destiny is bleak..
The White European family has lost its influence and is diminished.. You can thank the forces that insisted that Gay Marriage is equal to traditional marriage.. resulting in a predictable and nearly non existent birthrate.. so while the birthrate of the Muslims throughout Europe Soars.. Sharia Law and Islam are poised to completely dominate and control Europe within 50 years..
Except for the use of modern day tools.. such as misusing the liberty that free countries provide.. the internet, cell phones, video and the media in general.. Islam’s conquering history.. is the same as that which gave birth to The Crusades.. which was the one thing that beat Islam back to the stone age.. an age that it insisted we all live in..
Today as those same forces are making headway in America.. Islam’s’ history proves that it is a grave and imminent threat to my country.. my family, my children.. my grandchildren.. to women, to gay men.. and to all infidels that make up the majority of it’s citizens.. this is nothing to be taken lightly.. Yet you and your ilk are not wise enough to see that danger.. You are it’s enablers. You are it’s Useful Idiots..
I’m not of the frame of mind to grant you sweetness.. I’m of the frame of mind that the ignorant attitude you embrace is suicidal and dangerous.. I can’t stop you.. I can’t shut you up.. but I sure as hell can let you know that you are moronic in your stance.. I can and do withhold any respect I would otherwise reserve for a non moronic debater.. America has just demonstrated at the ballot box on Tuesday.. that we are over your loser mentality.. it was an earthquake of historical proportions and our message to those of your ilk is that your free pass is withdrawn when it comes to your lack of wisdom and your lack of tolerance for those that don’t accept your Tolerance of Evil..
And It’s not a question of evil vs. good.. Like Ayn Rand stated.. it’s a question of poison vs. food.. there is no compromise possible.. Poison in our food is not an option.. to any degree. Your transparent “Adios” is expected and accepted. Frankly I spend way too much time writing perfect content and comment.. making perfect sense and scoring points in all the battles I’ve endured against the willfully ignorant.. such as you. it’s all a waste when the opposing viewpoint is brain dead to begin with. You think you got something? I don’t think so. You are like all the others.. you have no arguments..
You do not know.. what you do not know..
For that.. You will always Lose.
November 6, 2010 at 5:08 am
Good idea jes..
I say we all move to one of the many societies that didn’t allow religion from the very beginning.. Historically, or modern day.. There are soooo many to choose from.. Exactly like you describe.. The Soviet Union under Stalin, China under Mao.. fidels Cuba.. I got it!! how about North Korea? Big time exactly what you want.. no religions there.. not a chance in hell.. LOL.. Let’s just Go!!
You first Jes.. wait for me there.. tell them you want to join their Anti God and Anti religious army..
It will be so much fun. I can’t wait.. Save a spot for me, ok?
November 6, 2010 at 7:24 pm
You’re a full blown idiot ty..
so wrong on so many levels..
it’s breathtaking..
November 6, 2010 at 7:29 pm
Tsk Tsk Hassan.. you flaming moron.
November 7, 2010 at 4:31 pm
Right on the money Sundar.. and so is Geert Wilders!
November 8, 2010 at 12:50 pm
I don’t hate any ovn Jack. It’s the truth.
It’s morons like you that will continue to feed the lies which is precisely what they want from you.
November 8, 2010 at 12:54 pm
I don’t hate any one. Sorry for the typo.
The facts about 9-11 and who did it are surfacing now and we know 9-11 was a CIA – Mossad job and that is the truth whether you want to accept it or not is your problem, not mine. I know the truth.
November 8, 2010 at 1:02 pm
It’s not about religion Jack. Haven’t you figured that out by now? So stop making this a religious issue. It’s about hating people that are different and it seems you have plenty of hatred to go around yourself.
Pull the log out of your own eye before trying to take the splinter from every one else’s eye.
November 9, 2010 at 9:35 pm
I never said it’s about religion you fool. It’s about a cult much more than a religion.. that operates under the cover of religion.. that because of it’s doctrine of blood lust… cutting off hands for theives.. stonning to death adultures, hanging of gays.. decapitions of non believers, (infidels).. the self admitted lust for death.
All of which combine to be a natural magnet to the lower forms of humanity that are attracted to such insanity.. the types that secretly enjoy the blood and guts and shattered humans.. for which they are rewared (72 virgins in heaven) and praised as heroes by the cult like mentality that heaps praise upon it’s terrorist suicide bombers and honor killing husband and fathers.. It’s a cult that treats women like cattle solely for lack of self control of the sorry men that may be tempted to rape any female not forced to dress like a Ghoul instead of a Girls.. You and your Ilk don’t know what you don’t know.. That inablity to see Evil when it’s starring you in the face is dangerous.. it’s not about hating anyone.. it’s about hating the HATEFUL.. those that beg to be hated.. those that hate YOU and me.. before we were even born.. To hate a potential and PROVEN threat to yourself is uttlerly not related to protecting yourself and not permitting that murderous hateful person to have his way with you… Call it hate if you wish.. but you need to open your eyes to the true nature of what it is you refuse to see.. Which makes me even more suspicious of you.. since you refuse to see the obvious.. yet you see all sorts of crap that is NOT there.. like the CIA and the Mossad being the cause of 911 instead of all of the substantial and overwhelming evidence you refuse to see. the service of men.. of blood thirsty terrorist
November 10, 2010 at 1:37 am
(Continued to Chuck1967) The service of men.. of blood thirsty men that want to kill you. has become by default.. your Default setting.. it would be funny but it’s deadly.. You are willing to set your brain to a setting of Your Choosing.. that ultimately can easily result with dangerous people being enabled by you.. You then outdo yourself with the observation that ignores the real Hate as is demonstrated thru every Hanging and Bombing and Decapitation and Stoning..
of good people.
and you do so with righteousness..
(Ignorance is always Righteous!)
Yet. Yet. Yet.. I’m stuttering here.. you accuse Me of Hate..
for observing their acts of hate.. and correctly describing it..
Wha?
I feel like I’m from another planet sometimes.. Or you are.. and your like minded buds are.. If you are from Jupiter then you would know that with the logical progression of it’s proven history.. you will have helped to foster An Evil that is verifiably hazardous.. mostly to millions of good people. Perhaps that’s your mission.. I don’t know. How would I know the difference if it was.. or if it was not?
But If you are not from Jupiter then know this:
Mis-Stating my Stated position, means I win the argument..
I wrote it..
I posted it.
IT’S THE ONE TO WHICH YOU REFER..
I would suggest you
RE-OBSERVE IT.
But it wouldn’t change anything would it? You may not know that.. But I do. I know.. I know the very idea that I know you better than you know yourself Chunky.. Is Scary for both of us I’m sure.. LOL.
No I don’t have ESP.. I just know your mindset hasn’t changed since Saul Alinsky published his walking orders for training indoctrinating and using Useful Idiots..
However..
Since you ARE a walking, talking, living and breathing.. PURE example of that Willfully Ignorant mindset.. proving to the world that your brain is hard wired to Alinsky’s directives.. and thus you direct your own brain to ignore any facts that expose (any real) Inconvenient Truth.. or you would have easily seen that I spoke clearly about Large Group of Thugs.. so large they call themselves Governments. And under the cover of Government.. THEY Outlaw punish and BAN Religions.. Using Tyranny, Thug Rule and Murder in those government capacities, but in reality.. in the capacity of Thugs calling themselves The Soviet Union, Red China, North Korea.. etc. Had you not locked down your brain..
you would have seen actual words..
NOT about RELIGIONS..
But about
BANNING Religions..
Thanks for ONE MORE PURE example.. proving my point and using your own words to prove it.. Almost even better than I could..
(nah..)
Know this. I am NOT making a victory claim.. More than anything, this is BUT ONE MORE very, very sad observation of what happens to the mind of an otherwise healthy brain when it is willfully deprived of its natural inclination and strong desire to function as your minds Observer. To see what it clearly DOES SEE.. YET not permitted to see or to process IT.. thus you permit yourself to simply pretend you don’t see it.
The Brain hates that.. It’s a prime source of confusion and stress.. anxiety.. poor judgement.. lack of wisdom.. depression and anger.. in everything you do or say or Don’t do or Don’t say.
It never turns out well.
Never. Ever.
And it really is truly a Sad Thing To See..
(and process)..
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